A Day With Laurel Gray


This interview was published in the July/August, 1998 issue of Jareeda Magazine. No portion of the interview, in whole or in part, may be used for any reason by anyone.

"A DAY WITH LAUREL GRAY" an interview by Kajira Djoumahna, conducted in the Summer of 1997.

 

It's a beautiful summer day in the Montclair District of Oakland, California. Laurel Gray and I are discussing "From Tashkent to Cairo" a new video from Laurel's work in Europe. This performance was in 1995 in Menningen, Germany and was produced by the Ensemble Raks Sharki and Havva & Basseima. They have big shows almost every year with different artists. "Egypta" (1997) is the tenth and most recent production. Laurel has participated in several shows with them. The people in Germany really support these big productions as well. They fill the theatres - in fact, "Egypta" was done three nights and the theatre was quite full for all shows. We're talking no small venues here, something like a capacity of 600 or more folks! During the afternoon, we delve into Laurel's thoughts about choreographies, research and more.

LVG: "The dancers in Germany put on very professional shows, from the full-colour posters to the lighting and production. This really makes a difference because I often create dances for the concert stage, not neccessarily for a restaurant setting. So to be seen in their best light, they need to be presented on a stage."

KD: "I am so impressed with the choreographies. They are very intricate and full of subtle nuances that make them special. So I'm curious- how long does it take for you to teach these choreographies to the dancers? There must be more to it than just 'whipping them out!'"

LVG: "Usually they let me know in advance what kind of dance they want. Sometimes they send me music, or I will send it to them, but I have their approval before I even arrive. I have the choreography written out and the music broken down. I come very prepared, with a total vision. I use the Soviet system of notating choreography which gives dancers a visual image of the stage. This preparation allows me to set a choreography very quickly. Sometimes we have only a couple of rehearsals. But when an ensemble commmisions a choreography from me, they are allowed to videotape me and themselves. From this video record as well as consultations with me, they are able to keep working.

It's rather phenomenal, because I'll leave Europe and for a year and the dancers have to work on their own. I leave them with diagrams for the costumes, and sometimes I even go fabric shopping with them, working closely with their costumers. This is absolutely crucial because, when I design a dance, I see colours and costumes. I know the look that I want."

KD: "So this is something you can do anywhere! Like here in the States, too."
LVG: "There are two troupes in Virginia that I've designed choreographies for. One group is 'Women of Selket,' who did a Georgian dance at the Nadia Hamdi show this April. According to one review, it looked like they "were on roller skates." When I read that, I was really pleased, because the Georgian gliding step is so difficult to master. It's deceptively simple to look at, but doing it is incredibly hard. The other troupe is 'Caravan East,' Chelydra's ensemble. They have a Russian Gypsy (Tsigany) dance from me."

When Laurel designs a choreography specifically for a group that's "to order" her fee includes the videos, notes and costume designs. Laurel works extensively with the group, holding rehearsals whenever they need it. Laurel balks at the idea of doing "video-only" choreographies, where she cannot work personally with the dancers because she feels "there's something about these dances, because they're ethnic dances, that's part of a living legacy. It's dance geneology. There's something to be said about actually being in the same room with the choreographer and seeing the nuances. I know this from working with my own teachers. I feel it's important not to be too dependent on technology because then we're not in the moment."

One of the choreographies that really caught my attention was "Amazonka," and I asked Laurel how she went about researching this piece. It is a sword dance, but not like any I'd ever seen. LVG: "The Ensemble Raks Sharki came to me and asked for a sword dance. They said they didn't want a sword dance where they just balanced the swords on their heads, but rather a martial, militant one. Like the Amazons! I'm trained as a historian and I know where to look for information. There are accounts from ancient Greek times about the Amazons as well as depictions in art, including statues. One is in Berlin, called the 'Wounded Amazon.' There are also vases that display Amazon figures. The Amazons came from an area called Colchis on the Black Sea. It's present-day Georgia near the Caucasus Mountains. I knew the men of that area have a war dance called Khorumi in 5/4 time. I like these uneven time signatures. So I commissioned Steven Flynn to base a new composition on this traditional war dance from this region where the Amazons originated. Anyone who knows the Georgian war dance Khorumi and listens to 'Amazonka' will hear it comes from this authentic song. It begins in 5/4 and changes once the 'battle' starts. The costuming came from the old designs I mentioned. The movements were based on artistic depictions as well as fencing. Beating the swords on sheilds was also an old tradition. After all, you can't clap while holding a sword and shield! So I took these elements and worked with their fabulous costumer. The dancers wear red, short tunics and have leopard-like skins; even their jewerly has a battleaxe design on it. The headdresses are also patterned after pictures of the warriors of the day."

Another dance that caught my eye is entitled "Spring Rain." It's a Persian dance, originally done as a duet. I was interested to learn how Laurel originated the idea.

LVG: "For me, ideas usually come from the music, especially since I am trained as a singer and a musician. I play violin and viola and have performed in orchestras and choirs and musical theatre. When I find a particular piece I put the headphones on and I listen to it over and over. I close my eyes and shut out everything else. You'd think I was in a catatonic state! But I see things: colours, images, stories - and completely surrender to this. I get a story in mind and start improvising. All choreography comes from improvisation so I'm thankful I can do both. So I improvise until I find movements I like best, and I keep those."

KD: "Where did you get the idea for 'Jinouni?' This was so cute, and so nice to have comic relief."
LVG: "'Jinouni' is the most popular song in Tashkent, maybe all of Uzbekistan. Any concert you go to, 'Jinouni' will be played. Although 'Yalla's' liner notes say it means 'Drove Me Crazy,' I've heard it also means 'Little Paradise.' But 'Jin' in Uzbek means crazy- like the Djinnis got you. I was sitting in my apartment in Uzbekistan in August and it was so hot, even at two in the morning. The song begins with Alisher singing in falsetto, so I had an image of a man dancing like a woman. But then I thought 'where in Uzbekistan today would I find male dancers who'd be willing to do this dressed as women?' They wouldn't, even though there is the tradition of the bacha, or dancing boy, who wore women's clothing and make-up. But nowadays it's thought of more as part of the decadent past and no one would do it today. So I fantasized about it and thought it would never happen. Then I was asked to be a judge at a bi-annual puppetry contest they have in Uzbekistan. Puppetry is very advanced and sophisticated in Central Asia, it's quite ancient. These puppet festivals are amazing! There were talented young students from the Theatrical Institute in Tashkent who were also in the puppetry department who were open to improvisation. I asked them if they'd be up to this. They agreed, so we began. These were young guys, like 17 - 19 years old, some with moustaches - you know, 'manly men,' but Uzbeks. Very wiry and athletic, so they were capable of physical humour. We performed 'Jinouni' the last day at the puppet show. I threw together costumes for them. They began with their faces veiled and with their backs to the audience. Part of the joke was when I introduced the act, I said these were 'young girls and very shy.

This is their first performance and we've had only a few days to work, so please be patient.' Since they were veiled and had their backs to the audience, everyone thought they really were young girls! And as trained puppeteers, they could do beautiful, fluid arm movements. But when the boys turned around, the entire concert hall saw they had been tricked. The audience was laughing so hard they were crying - almost rolling in the aisles! 'Jinouni' was such a big hit that we were asked to do it again at the East-West Theatre Festival with people from all over the world. We did it at the closing reception, and when my boys came out with this, it stopped everyone in their tracks. The audience again loved it. But unfortunately, there was someone from way up in the government in attendance who took exception to this. They called me over to their table and asked 'Gray Khanum, what are you doing with our Uzbek boys?' They didn't like it. They weren't theatre people. But the German dancers loved the idea and asked to do 'Jinouni' too."

One of the choreographies that really caught my attention on the video was an Uzbek Dance from the Khorezm region. Laurel pointed out that this dance was originally done standing on a plate! (Talk about isolations!) But she feels that is not quite interesting enough when adapted for a concert stage, so Laurel added four male dancers when she performed it in Tashkent. In the version she taught Ensemble Raks Sharki, there were multiple dancers as well. Laurel feels its very important to keep the traditions of these dances while also keeping them exciting. "As a choreographer, when dealing with these ethnic forms, you have to colour between the lines. I don't mean that when choreographing a polka you can have people dropping to their knees doing a zar, even if it would make it more interesting! I was trying to keep true to the traditions but I had to alter it for stage. So one dancer does stay on the plate for the whole dance," Laurel explains.

On choreograhies in general, Laurel shares that "People will take such pride in having a costume made for them, and they'll be willing to spend a significant amount of money for this. It will really fit them, suit their colouring, their style and the kind of dance they're doing in it. How much more important is it to have a dance made for you? Maybe someone is a fabulous dancer, but not a choreographer. There may be certain elements this dancer has missed, or perhaps she does what's easy for her. Or maybe she simply does not see that a dance doesn't look right. Sometimes choroegraphies just look the same because a dancer does not have fresh ideas or new inspiration. I love going to my teachers and having pieces made for me. It not only helps my development but it helps me broaden my movement vocabulary and it pushes me into something new. With some of these ethnic forms, it has taken years and years to do the research and to understand what's appropriate to each style, each nuance, every little tilt of the head. Some dancers say 'I don't need anybody, I'm going to do an Uzbek dance (or another ethnic form) on my own,' but I've seen the results of that. There's no shame in getting help! Yet some people feel they're less of a dancer if they don't make all of their own costumes and dances. But that's not the case at all. It should be prestigious to work with an established choreographer."

KD: "I feel there are a growing number of dancers who do feel this way as well. I am seeing more often 'Choreography by So-and-So,' or even 'Choreography by So-and-So, Arranged by ______' at events."
LVG: "That is appropriate also. It's important to realize that a choroegraphy is actually property.
People understand that a song by, for example, Michael Jackson, is a song by him, and you can't pass it off as your own. And you would never go and steal someone's costume and then wear it. But for some reason, this is often lost when dealing with a choreography! If these people had any idea about the years it takes to truly master this material, and how much work and research it all takes....... what I experienced living in Central Asia nearly killed me. Why should others have to suffer?"

When asked for clarification, Laurel agreed to talk off the record a bit, but for this article we cannot go into great detail. "Those people are fighting for their survival, to keep their own heads above water and to keep food on the table for their families. They cannot take care of you when you visit. You need language skills and a strong physical and psychological makeup. I don't want to go to the grave with this material I have collected! I want to share it. I'd LOVE for these dances to be performed all over. They're meant to be seen and to be shared."

But Laurel feels that when she teaches a choreography at a seminar, it's her gift. "I want the dancers to learn it and to perform it," Laurel assures, "that's why I get strict. It's an incredibly short period of time in which to learn a dance. It's one thing to learn a new bellydance routine, as you already know most of the moves and you're trained within that genre. You need time to get kinetic memory and your muscles need to learn how to move in these new fashions. That's why I'm a demanding workshop teacher, as I want participants to be able to present something they can be proud of. And, if the 'ethnic police' show up, I can say 'yes, this is how it's done.'" (laughter!) To her credit, Laurel can report that the video featuring many of her own choreographies, the "Rose Petals of the Orient," (filmed in Germany in 1993) has been shown on Uzbek television. That's pretty good for an American choreographer, I'd say! "The Uzbeks know it's not 100% perfect, but close enough that the Uzbek people can feel proud and charmed that the German people are going to such lengths to try and master their dance."

KD: "What brought you to study Russian Gypsy dance specifically?" (authour's note: the proper term for the Russian Gypsy people is Tsigany in Russian, or Czigany in Hungarian.)
LVG: "All of my childhood I was interested in the Russian culture. At age 13 I was studying the Russian language. I love the music, the art, the poetry- everything! I was a real 'Russo-phile!' My degrees are in Russian history, and I have belonged to Russian folkdance groups. Every Russian folkdance company worth it's salt has a Russki Tsiganyie dance in their repertoire. It's the big blowout number at the end that everybody loves. So I was exposed to it that way. Also, the Moiseyev Dance Company came to my hometown when I was at a young and impressionable age. After them, anything American seemed very tame, drab and - very - biege! The Soviet folk ensembles incredibly influenced my choreographic style. Except that they're very symmetrical in their stage patterns. One thing I got from my modern dance technique is asymmetry. Although I had been doing some of the style, I wanted to work with Soviet teachers, as they have a bigger range of movements than I knew. So I worked with Aidin at first who created a choroegraphy for me. Then I created my own piece and took it to Tanya (a former soloist with the Romen Gypsy Ensemble in Moscow) along with a costume design for her opinion. The costumer for the State Academic Bolshoi Theatre of Opera and Ballet in Tashkent had done the costume design for me. Everything checked out except I had been clenching my fists at one time, and even though other Romany peoples do this movement, as in Turkey for example, the Russki Tsiganyie do not. These nuances are important!"

Laurel teaches a class called "Elements of Choroegraphy" in which she helps dancers understand how to put together choroegraphies for themselves. "You can take simple, beginning- level steps and make very interesting dances out of them by using certain tools or building blocks. These can be things like dynamics, level change, directions- and so on. I use video examples for illustration so that by the end of the class people can look at a piece and instead of just saying 'it's beautiful' they can say why it's beautiful, or powerful, or why it worked. They learn how to analyze dance because they have these tools. They can then go home and design their own choreographies with more confidence and greater ability."

KD: "Since 'Egypta' has just been released, would you please tell us a bit about it?"
LVG: "I told one group that I wanted to choreograph a suite of dances in the style of ancient Egypt. At first they were not interested, saying they didn't want any part of it, of the 'Hollywood kitch, King Tut Strut' and all that. But I explained that was the whole point of my idea - to create something very different than what now passes for 'pharoanic dance.' Ancient Egyptians performed brain surgery and built the pyramids! They were extremely sophisticated. Why would we think they had these boring, imbecillic dances?! My theoretical basis is founded on Alan Lomax's system called choreometrics. Lomax looked at different societies and cultures and saw that they had similar patterns of movements depending on the societal structures. Hunting - gathering societies had simple horizontal or vertical movements, like throwing a spear. Agricultural societies have more curved movements, like in 'sowing wheat' or cutting it with a scythe. Societies with highly centralized governments with control over hydraulics, like canals and irrigation use spirals in the dances. The Chinese acrobats have many spiral movements, as do the Persian and Central Asian dances. So I took this theory a bit further, using it not only to decipher living dances, but to reconstruct ancient ones. Instead of this flat, two-dimensional thing we imagine from hieroglyphs, I have used three dimensions and spirals. The tomb-paintings are like snapshots; they freeze just one moment and cannot show the whole dance.

There were so many kinds of dance in Egypt, and during over 3,000 years of written history the styles changed. Some of the movements I could only reconstruct with several dancers actually physically trying them, like a certain child's game they used to have. Since there is not enough choreographic material to make a complete dance, I had to fill in the blanks. 'Egypta' begins at the River Nile because it is the source of life. Many of the creation myths go back to the Nile. Then the suite goes out onto the land and agriculture. Then religion comes, and the worship of the Sun and the Nile. I added the building of the pyramids, and since no one knows how that was done, I did it in an evocative, interpretive way. 'Egypta' includes Priestesses, Hathor, Isis, Anubis, a court dance, a period of foreign domination and finally, a death scene.

The first Egyptologists were white male imperialists, who had a hard time accepting this amazing technology and high culture coming out of an African country. So they discounted much of the black African contributions to Egyptian society. I've tried to put some of those African elements back in. It seems only logical. If you look at depictions of people in ancient Egypt there are many dark skinned people who look like Nubians or Ethiopians."

KD: "Please tell us about a workshop you offer called 'Beyond Beads' which explores the spiritual dimensions of oriental dance."
LVG: "The late Lois Ibsen al Faruqi, who was a specialist in Islamic art, described four categories of dance in the Islamic world. There were line dances, war or combat dances, solo or improvisational dances, and finally, ritual or spiritual dances. The more I study, the more I find a deep spiritual foundation to these dances. My workshop is a way for people to explore this realm in a safe environment in a controlled classroom setting. We end the workshop by creating our own ritual by improvising. This is so fulfilling- in fact, I'm finding more and more that my personal moments of supreme ecstasy are coming not from performances, but in the classroom."

When asked about future projects, Laurel mentioned a workshop she does with Artemis called Ancient Visions that will lead to a concert eventually like Egypta, except that it won't be just about ancient Egypt. This one's focus will be on "Women in Myth and Legends," and will include well-known and less familiar Goddesses.

LVG: "I'd like to explore many countries' myths and legends during this project. The dances would be presented on stage, and again, with as much research in the movement style and costuming as possible. I just think it's time. I'm looking for dancers to cast in the different roles, but this won't be one solo after another, or with someone standing there with lightning bolts or something saying 'I am the goddess.' Humour is important too. I think we need to see more images like that of women showing their strength, power and wisdom."

Another project Laurel is working on is putting her wonderful warm-up on video. "I'm sort of torn, as one of the reasons people like my warm-up so much is because of this unseen dimension of it - the sharing of the energy. This happens in the way I've structured it, as part of it is about 'being present in the moment.' To me it's more than a warm-up, it's a dance. And, I don't usually verbalize much during the warm-up, people have to follow me. But what that does is it makes the students learn on a different level. It's the same idea as when a mother and infant are together so much their heartbeats become synchronized. There's this sort of learning we do that's not on an intellectual level, it's just by being there. This goes back to why I think it's important to physically study with a teacher in the same room because by sharing the same space, you're also sharing the same molecules - literally. Some things happen where you get to a certain level and begin to unconsciously imitate the teacher, by picking up their movement patterns.

This warm-up is my sly way of getting people used to working with me and following me. They really have to concentrate as I don't tell them 'we are going to do four of these and four of that,' but they naturally fall into it so that by the time we're ready to start the class, we've imprinted on each other a little bit. So I don't know if it'll work on video, but I've been getting so many requests I must consider it. I hope it comes across, as our dance form is primarily a solo art. To be solo you must have a strong ego to get out there, and we don't do a lot of circle dancing. When we have problems in our community such as the jealousy and cattiness, it's because we don't have opportunities to experience unity. So if all we get is a few minutes during the warm-up to get in a circle and hold hands, at least that's a beginning.

Sometimes I'm so overcome by the shared energy in a workshop that it's all I can do to keep from crying. It's quite amazing. You feel this trust and this incredible, tender, vunerable, nurturing feminine energy that just is heartbreaking because it's so beautiful and different from male energy. When we have a chance to be in a circle, move together, and feel safe, dancers can get rid of ego. It's then not important whether they look better than the woman next to them, or whether their practice outfit is nicer. All that matters then is the act of being present and enjoying moving together. And that's what I mean when I say that some of the peak experiences that are coming to me are in the seminars and classrooms where I teach. Maybe that's where the new level of work is in this dance, in the experiential aspects of the dance and less in the performance."

If you desire to study with Laurel, she teaches at least two new choreographies each year at the intensive Central Asian Dance Camp held in August in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Travis Jarrell is the other featured instructor at this Camp. With a small enrollment (no more than 25 participants,) and a huge, mirrored dance space, the camp is designed for serious students who wish to be totally immersed into Persian and Central Asian styles. Laurel also travels and is available for seminars internationally.

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